| = opinion | Marius Surleac [22.Oct.08 20:06] |
| Interesting approach of your essay! True is that the DNA and the organisms had evolved in the same time. I am a scientist and I also believe in God. Indeed there are some things that can not be explained. I don't know if those that take God out from the calculus do this just like an escape from responsibility, but more than that they sustain and believe in their evolutionist theories, because there are a lot of mechanisms that go very close to a certain level from where much of the theories can not be explained. So, these scientists stopped at this border. One minor observation: did you want to say „one respect” or „one aspect”. With the pleasure of lecturing, Marius | |
| = I don't think "by chance" is the right expression here... | John Willy Kopperud [07.Nov.08 14:34] |
| ...because the scientific community has indeed conveyed to me that certain elements in the surroundings must exist if life is to prosper. As you wisely point out the theory of evolution has indeed undergone some modifications since Darwin's day. We may well talk about an element of revolution, too. The one theory that clearly stands up against Darwins theory is the creationist one. To put forth that creationism has serious problems is indeed an understatement. We do have scientific proof that some of the fossils found in since the 19.th century are millions of years old. According to fundamental creationist belief life on earth dates back some 6000 years. There are of course things we don't understand. Personally I don't agree with any statement claiming that belief in evolution of the species exclude belief in God. As I said, there are things we don't understand and to me God is greater than the limitation of our knowledge. Cheers from Willy | |
| = let's get together and be allright | ion a [22.Nov.08 10:59] |
| it's true that modern scientists like Stephen Hawking will admit that some questions about existence might remain a mystery forever. nothing alarming about that. after all, we may not be smart enough to understand these mysteries but looks like we might be smart enough to build machines capable of understanding them. life may have been created, but that doesn't invalidate evolution. after it was created, life most certainly evolved! in fact, it's pretty clear that life is a self-evolving program. the DNA is programmed to "diversify" through mutations induced by various means. looks like the main mutagen agents are viruses, it's been recently proven that the way they inflict damage is by modifying specific DNA chains. "Give us a couple of million years and we will succeed what nature produced by chance!” this is a huge overestimation. think about artificial intelligence. the first computers came about some 60 years ago. today's computers have "intelligence" comparable to that of a mouse. how long it took nature to produce a mouse? we're not gonna need a couple of million years to produce life but a mere few decades. soon as we fully decipher the DNA code of the main mammals we should be able to manipulate it, create "designer humans" or any other being, existing or imaginary. we should be able to create a pegasus, for instance. "The very idea that life could have been created is rejected, because, were they to admit it, this would imply the existence of a Creator, and man, as intelligent being, would be responsible to this Creator" that's simply faulty logic. why should man be responsible to an alleged creator? man has its own destiny to fulfill now honestly: do you really believe the entity who created life and the universe could write such a bad book as the bible?! | |
| = to "ion a", with respect... | Romulus Campan Maramuresanu [27.Nov.08 13:03] |
| To simply state that God wrote the Bible, is to know not that He inspired human writers to write His perfect will. All of them wrote framed by their own frailness, yet everything written is perfectly no more and no less than what God wanted. As about the Bible being such a bad book, you may want to notice that it is clearly stated in it that Its understanding comes to the open hearted, meanwhile to the fool's mind (don't get angry on me, God said it so...) it stays locked with all Its intricate but perfectly interconnected detailness. If you would be at least as open to Its eventual truths as much as you are about Its alleged badness, you would surely understand that unto men the choice of life and death has been from the beginning given, thus making him the switch for his own destiny. As about the author's alleged faulty logic, do you really believe chaos just organizes itself by blind and purposeless chance into the amazing complexity we call LIFE? My dear friend, why don't you start as I did, asking an uncertain and unknown at that time, God, if He really exists, with an honest and open heart? Or you may be afraid to end up like me after He replies? Ba brave and give it a try. The author of Ben Hur ended up likewise... | |
| = to "Romulus Campan Maramuresanu" with same | ion a [28.Nov.08 22:10] |
| "do you really believe chaos just organizes itself by blind and purposeless chance into the amazing complexity we call LIFE?" i've said it before, to believe that would be to believe in a miracle, and i don't believe in miracles. of course the universe (and probably life) was created by god. but why is religion claiming to know anything about how or why that happened? why should i believe that anybody has any kind of "open line" to god? why would i accept as "scientific truth" such patent nonsense as "the world was created 6000 years ago"? | |
| = patent nonsense... | Romulus Campan Maramuresanu [01.Dec.08 11:25] |
| Dear Ion A, You are surely much more intelligent than to claim refusal of let's say miracles, just because some have decided that materialism is the epitome of man's existence. Love, joy, happiness, sadness, sorrow are way beyond matter... The world we live in is in itself a miracle, with matter itself a conglomerate of energy and space, way beyond and beneath the seeable realm. If you say "of course the universe and probably life" were created by God, would you think He would need the literal six days of creation? No, but he did it so to set the rule-pattern for us. Are you truly confused by the Bible's 6000 years? Putting together all historical (non religious) documents, you just can't go beyond some 10.000 years. Oh, or Lyell, Darwin & Co. decided their theories need millions of years to "free science from Moses" (quote from Lyell's correspondence", and justify their refuse to hear God? The most one can squeeze out of their "scientific" (remember Lyell was a lawyer, Darwin a fallen theologian, and the rest biased scientists) blabla is circular reasoning, very unhealthy for science. In the end, evolutionism's top gun seems to be Richard Dawkins' claim that "anyone not believing in evolution is an idiot". because he decided he himself doesn't want to believe in God?!!! Pure science, huh? With true respect and friendship. | |
| = Romulus, we can actually explain the magic | ion a [06.Dec.08 09:50] |
| Romulus, a miracle is simply something you witness but can't explain if you go to some remote village in the amazons to a tribe that still lives in the stone age and show them an iPod, they'll think it's a miracle there is overwhelming proof that the universe is older than 6000 years, just doesn't make any sense to even start a discussion about this the bible might have had some value for a mostly rural, illiterate population. it provided a calendar for working the land, moral conduct, diet and dress rules, etc. Some of them were quite correct actually. for instance, it made perfect sense in a hot, dry land like israel to prescribe the "kosher" diet. the rabbis were the only literate class, able to pass knowledge from one generation to another. they knew that meat spoils faster than cheese. even if they didn't know anything about bacteria, they realized that if you put meat and cheese together, the cheese will spoil just as fast as the meat. hence the prohibition against using the same cooking utensils on both of them. the same for asking men to cover their head: working mostly outside, in the sun, they were having frequent strokes. of course the rabbi wouldn't tell them, like, you know, we made this scientific study over a number of years and reached the conclusion that etc. etc. the rabbi would simply tell them: people, listen up! GOD told me: you shall not etc. etc. | |